Maybe some of you are also attending, but IBM are running a seminar on Java and embedded systems on Monday week near Heathrow. I am booked and will try and make a noise about the dangers of Java threads. I will feel free to quote "WoTUG" examples and point them at the relevant URLs unless anyone objects - which seems unlikley. The contact for the seminar is: Mary Constantinou EMEA OEM SW Sales Telephone: +44 (0) 1256 343956 Int: 313956 I am not really sure of the level and intended audience, but is is a chance to make a noise and get people worried. Maybe IBM will then put pressure on SUN. I can dream... Adrian -- Adrian Lawrence. adrian.lawrence@oucs.ox.ac.uk. or adrian.lawrence@comlab.ox.ac.uk MicroProcessor Unit | Computing Laboratory, 13, Banbury Road, | Wolfson Building, Oxford. OX2 6NN. | Parks Road, Oxford. UK. | OX1 3QD. UK. Voice: (+44)-1865-273274,(+44)-1865-283526 Fax: (+44)-1865-273275